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Why Religion? Why Not Unicorns?
Topic Started: Feb 4 2014, 03:01 AM (5,473 Views)
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Meteor that started its journey millions of light years away crashes into Earth and kills a bunch of people. Why would God use a meteor that far away instead of one of the many millions floating around the Earth? Five billion years ago he decided that meteor would be the one he used to one day kill some people in Russia somewhere?


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Feb 23 2014, 10:47 PM
But what about a kid who dies in a car crash when he's 15 years old?
If he wasn't permitted by God to grow old and learn to overcome obstacles, than how is that fair to him when compared to a man who goes through a rough patch in his late 20s, repents in his late 30s, divorces his wife when he's 50, and goes through another rough patch before crying out for God's help when he's 75 and on his death bed?

And you're assuming a purpose to everything in the Universe by saying it's a "temporary creation for certain purpose which we don't know about."
How can you know that?

The traditions that we use to recognize God's intent in the Universe is Heaven, Earth, and Hell, and it glorifies humans as the pinnacle of god's creation. There is no stars and cosmos, and it's never mentioned in even slight detail in any known canon.
So how can a Neutron star from Andromeda Galaxy (which is the nearest galaxy to us) have anything to do with what we understand is the Universe as according to our traditional understanding of God, and us as humans because we exist in this realm?

The two are completely separate, and in no way related to Heaven, Earth, or Hell at all.
Probably because God wanted to test that kid only for 15 years. Maybe living only for 15 years made that child's test easier as compared to the old man of 75.
As we know, God tests different people in different ways. Loss of life, loss of wealth, loss of power etc. are all different types of tests.

I'm not saying I know it for sure that the universe is only a creation for a certain purpose. I'm only saying that's a possibility.
There are tons of things unknown to us which only God can answer.

If that tradition doesn't make sense, we simply disagree with the tradition. One flawed tradition doesn't necessarily mean God doesn't exist.

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Meteor that started its journey millions of light years away crashes into Earth and kills a bunch of people. Why would God use a meteor that far away instead of one of the many millions floating around the Earth? Five billion years ago he decided that meteor would be the one he used to one day kill some people in Russia somewhere?
As I said, there are tons of things unknown to us humans, which only God can answer.

We are not all knowing.
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Feb 23 2014, 10:47 PM
But what about a kid who dies in a car crash when he's 15 years old?
If he wasn't permitted by God to grow old and learn to overcome obstacles, than how is that fair to him when compared to a man who goes through a rough patch in his late 20s, repents in his late 30s, divorces his wife when he's 50, and goes through another rough patch before crying out for God's help when he's 75 and on his death bed?

And you're assuming a purpose to everything in the Universe by saying it's a "temporary creation for certain purpose which we don't know about."
How can you know that?

The traditions that we use to recognize God's intent in the Universe is Heaven, Earth, and Hell, and it glorifies humans as the pinnacle of god's creation. There is no stars and cosmos, and it's never mentioned in even slight detail in any known canon.
So how can a Neutron star from Andromeda Galaxy (which is the nearest galaxy to us) have anything to do with what we understand is the Universe as according to our traditional understanding of God, and us as humans because we exist in this realm?

The two are completely separate, and in no way related to Heaven, Earth, or Hell at all.
Probably because God wanted to test that kid only for 15 years. Maybe living only for 15 years made that child's test easier as compared to the old man of 75.
As we know, God tests different people in different ways. Loss of life, loss of wealth, loss of power etc. are all different types of tests.

I'm not saying I know it for sure that the universe is only a creation for a certain purpose. I'm only saying that's a possibility.
There are tons of things unknown to us which only God can answer.

If that tradition doesn't make sense, we simply disagree with the tradition. One flawed tradition doesn't necessarily mean God doesn't exist.
I just don't understand how it's possible to keep faith in something that's claimed to be absolute if you become less and less inclined to believe it as you learn more about the world.

That to me doesn't make sense. I'd just be inclined to scrap all of it, and accept that the Bible was written by men who were looking for some way to make sense of a universe that they didn't understand. Not to mention that the Bible that we know now wasn't compiled until around year 700 AD, and there was plenty of scriptures of which some early Christian sects followed that were scrapped when the Bible was compiled. They followed those scriptures, and weren't aware of others that existed, but does that make them bad Christians?

The original account of Genesis was one that was scrapped, because it told the story of Adam's first wife Lilith, who was banished from the Garden of Eden because she refused to take the bottom position during sex with Adam. Due to her refusal and banishment, God created Eve, of whom was created to be submissive to Adam, while Lilith was left to live outside the Garden, fornicating with demons and cursing Adam and Eve's descendents for the rest of time.

I'm not claiming that you believe in the Bible, but it seems apparent that it's where your basic belief structure comes from. If you already scrap certain aspects of the religion that you deem "untrue" or not what you believe, then why not simply scrap all of it?

I just figure if everything that we assume to know doesn't seem right, then it's simpler to assume that everything is wrong until it can be proven otherwise. Not to mention that the world is so much more enjoyable when there's no meaning attached to anything. If there is a God, we can simply marvel at the physical existence of his creations, without obsessing over the intent or purpose of it.

For example, I'm not a Satanist, but I enjoy some Satanic music for the lyrical imagery, but I don't believe any of it or take any of it literally.
Surely if there is a logical God, he can accept that not everything that's blatantly evil needs to be taken that way. It depends on the perception of the viewer, not the content itself.
Because if you think about it, Satan and Hell are creations of God's as well as Heaven and Earth. Their physical existence is not bad and should be viewed as a piece of art that should be marveled at, but not taken in the context that we know it as.
Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Feb 24 2014, 01:34 AM.
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The original account of Genesis was one that was scrapped, because it told the story of Adam's first wife Lilith, who was banished from the Garden of Eden because she refused to take the bottom position during sex with Adam. Due to her refusal and banishment, God created Eve, of whom was created to be submissive to Adam, while Lilith was left to live outside the Garden, fornicating with demons and cursing Adam and Eve's descendents for the rest of time.

I don't think it was an actual account that was scrapped, but rather an interpretation made from the contradiction present in the Genesis creation story. That story was never actually in the bible. Rather, it was a story created to explain the contradiction. At least I believe so.

Just some more food for thought:

Why does god show himself so many times in the bible? He comes down from heaven, causes people to tremble in fear and physically see him, causes all sorts of disturbances and communicates with so many people, and yet now he never shows himself. There hasn't been a true, believable "god sighting" since the stories in the bible. Why is that? Why would he suddenly decide to hide and basically cease to exist?
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The original account of Genesis was one that was scrapped, because it told the story of Adam's first wife Lilith, who was banished from the Garden of Eden because she refused to take the bottom position during sex with Adam. Due to her refusal and banishment, God created Eve, of whom was created to be submissive to Adam, while Lilith was left to live outside the Garden, fornicating with demons and cursing Adam and Eve's descendents for the rest of time.

I don't think it was an actual account that was scrapped, but rather an interpretation made from the contradiction present in the Genesis creation story. That story was never actually in the bible. Rather, it was a story created to explain the contradiction. At least I believe so.
Well... technically it wasn't scrapped.
If you actually pick up a Bible right now and read Genesis, you'll notice that Chapter 1 and 2 both are accounts of the creation of humanity and the Universe. The first one is in Chapter 1, and then Chapter 2 seems to give largely the same account, except for what looks to be one blaring contradiction.

Chapter 1 states that man and woman were created together at the same time, while Chapter 2 states that God created man first, but then created woman later.

Chapter 1 is essentially a synopsis of what happened in the original account of Genesis with Lilith, but it doesn't mention Lilith at all except for a brief mention of her creation along side Adam, and even then, her name is never mentioned. Chapter 1 mentions nothing about her defiance against God or Adam, or her banishment from Eden. If you read through the entire book of Genesis as it exists in the Bible now, you might notice the contradiction between Chapter 1 and Chapter 2, but you'd never even know that Lilith existed.

However, due to this very vague mention of Lilith, people just simply assume that this original woman who was created along side Adam was Eve, but then make note of the contradiction when they read Chapter 2.
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